and the subsidies they are talk otalking about years ago, they have no place, but our elected officials are only focused as your other guest told you, reelection. neil: but if you think they were open to what seemed simple fixes, rather than, 88 slowing growth of medicare as with you know giving grandma alpo, smart minds would say ha is not true. >> aircraft agree, i think that a lot of the rhetoric that gets the american people excited is misinformation and positioning by one ideology versus another. if you can't to the american public and told them the facts, whether it be social security or you name it, they will do the right thing, we just have to give them the appropriate information and the solution. neil: speaker, you are gate at great at negotiating, they gave cover to other. and i think each side wants to rub the other's nose in it right now, right now republicans are on the losing side. and arguing with the president 40 to 1 deal tax hikes over cuts took a better of them and left a lot of soar wounds. >> talk about a fiscal cliff. that is orchestrated confrontation. if you --